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Persona 4 Golden dialogue
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Context:Edogawa explains the Shadow archetype as the denied, 'evil' part of oneself.
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_000
Hello there, everyone. It's time for
"Mr. Edogawa's TV Classroom."
"Everyone Loves Jungian Psychology!"
An invitation to the you that you
don't know.
It's already our fifth installment:
"The Nature of the Shadow."
"Mr. Edogawa's TV Classroom."
"Everyone Loves Jungian Psychology!"
An invitation to the you that you
don't know.
It's already our fifth installment:
"The Nature of the Shadow."
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Hello there, everyone. It's time for[n]"Mr. Edogawa's TV Classroom."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]"Everyone Loves Jungian Psychology!"[n]An invitation to the you that you[n]don't know.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]It's already our fifth installment:[n]"The Nature of the Shadow."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_001
People are often more attracted to a
person with a shady personality
than to an outright good person.
For today's lesson, I want to pick a
single archetype and discuss it.
That archetype is the "Shadow."
Quite a charmer, hm?
Now, let's begin the lecture.
Solve et coagula...
person with a shady personality
than to an outright good person.
For today's lesson, I want to pick a
single archetype and discuss it.
That archetype is the "Shadow."
Quite a charmer, hm?
Now, let's begin the lecture.
Solve et coagula...
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]People are often more attracted to a[n]person with a shady personality[n]than to an outright good person.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]For today's lesson, I want to pick a[n]single archetype and discuss it.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]That archetype is the "Shadow."[n]Quite a charmer, hm?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Now, let's begin the lecture.[n]Solve et coagula...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_002
Just to brush up from the previous
lecture...
An archetype is a basic element of pattern
recognition within the mind. With that
ability, the mind can create images.
There are archetypes such as the "Great
Mother" and the "Wise Old Man"...
The "Shadow" archetype conjures the image
of a "creepy, unfamiliar person."
A creepy, unfamiliar person...
That doesn't exactly sound like something
that gives off good vibes, does it?
That's right: the Shadow is the archetype
that represents the undesirable.
lecture...
An archetype is a basic element of pattern
recognition within the mind. With that
ability, the mind can create images.
There are archetypes such as the "Great
Mother" and the "Wise Old Man"...
The "Shadow" archetype conjures the image
of a "creepy, unfamiliar person."
A creepy, unfamiliar person...
That doesn't exactly sound like something
that gives off good vibes, does it?
That's right: the Shadow is the archetype
that represents the undesirable.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Just to brush up from the previous[n]lecture...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]An archetype is a basic element of pattern[n]recognition within the mind. With that[n]ability, the mind can create images.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]There are archetypes such as the "Great[n]Mother" and the "Wise Old Man"...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The "Shadow" archetype conjures the image[n]of a "creepy, unfamiliar person."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]A creepy, unfamiliar person...[n]That doesn't exactly sound like something[n]that gives off good vibes, does it?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]That's right: the Shadow is the archetype[n]that represents the undesirable.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_003
Jung explained the Shadow as "the part
of the personality one chooses not to see."
In other words, the "evil" within a person
that he or she denies.
We all have "evil" that we deny buried
within our unconscious; that is the
Shadow.
I'm sure you can all understand that
the Shadow is hated by all...
But let me explain it a little more,
comparing it to your everyday life.
of the personality one chooses not to see."
In other words, the "evil" within a person
that he or she denies.
We all have "evil" that we deny buried
within our unconscious; that is the
Shadow.
I'm sure you can all understand that
the Shadow is hated by all...
But let me explain it a little more,
comparing it to your everyday life.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Jung explained the Shadow as "the part[n]of the personality one chooses not to see."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In other words, the "evil" within a person[n]that he or she denies.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]We all have "evil" that we deny buried[n]within our unconscious; that is the[n]Shadow.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I'm sure you can all understand that[n]the Shadow is hated by all...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]But let me explain it a little more,[n]comparing it to your everyday life.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_004
All right, then, say you're a student and
you've received a large amount of homework
when you were thinking of going out...
In that situation, which do you choose:
work, or play?
you've received a large amount of homework
when you were thinking of going out...
In that situation, which do you choose:
work, or play?
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]All right, then, say you're a student and[n]you've received a large amount of homework[n]when you were thinking of going out...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In that situation, which do you choose:[n]work, or play?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
SEL_005
- "Work, as usual."
- "Play, as usual."
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1]"Work, as usual."[e]
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1]"Play, as usual."[e]
Response to selection: "Work, as usual."
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_006
I see.
In other words, to you, "good" is having
the diligence to do your homework.
On the other hand, you abhor the laxness
of going out to play. Laziness is your
"evil."
That is, you did not want to become the
"lazy guy" you hate...! Even though you
weren't lazy, you chose not to be.
This imaginary "lazy person" that you
don't want to be is part of the
representation of your Shadow.
In other words, to you, "good" is having
the diligence to do your homework.
On the other hand, you abhor the laxness
of going out to play. Laziness is your
"evil."
That is, you did not want to become the
"lazy guy" you hate...! Even though you
weren't lazy, you chose not to be.
This imaginary "lazy person" that you
don't want to be is part of the
representation of your Shadow.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I see.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In other words, to you, "good" is having[n]the diligence to do your homework.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]On the other hand, you abhor the laxness[n]of going out to play. Laziness is your[n]"evil."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]That is, you did not want to become the[n]"lazy guy" you hate...! Even though you[n]weren't lazy, you chose not to be.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]This imaginary "lazy person" that you[n]don't want to be is part of the[n]representation of your Shadow.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Response to selection: "Play, as usual."
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_007
I see.
In other words, to you, "good" is having
the pleasure of going out and having fun.
On the other hand, you abhor the suffering
of doing homework as "evil." Even though
you weren't suffering, you chose not to be.
That is, you did not want to become the
"suffering guy" you hate...!
This imaginary "suffering person" that
you don't want to be is part of the
representation of your Shadow.
In other words, to you, "good" is having
the pleasure of going out and having fun.
On the other hand, you abhor the suffering
of doing homework as "evil." Even though
you weren't suffering, you chose not to be.
That is, you did not want to become the
"suffering guy" you hate...!
This imaginary "suffering person" that
you don't want to be is part of the
representation of your Shadow.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I see.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In other words, to you, "good" is having[n]the pleasure of going out and having fun.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]On the other hand, you abhor the suffering[n]of doing homework as "evil." Even though[n]you weren't suffering, you chose not to be.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]That is, you did not want to become the[n]"suffering guy" you hate...![n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]This imaginary "suffering person" that[n]you don't want to be is part of the[n]representation of your Shadow.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_008
...Oh, just to let you know, I meant this
question as a hypothetical. I'm not going
to draw any conclusions about your Shadow.
But you see, this question has shown how
you use your Shadow as the standard for
interpreting your own "good" and "evil."
But there's another, deeper meaning to this.
question as a hypothetical. I'm not going
to draw any conclusions about your Shadow.
But you see, this question has shown how
you use your Shadow as the standard for
interpreting your own "good" and "evil."
But there's another, deeper meaning to this.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]...Oh, just to let you know, I meant this[n]question as a hypothetical. I'm not going[n]to draw any conclusions about your Shadow.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]But you see, this question has shown how[n]you use your Shadow as the standard for[n]interpreting your own "good" and "evil."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]But there's another, deeper meaning to this.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_009
I gave you two choices just now:
work or play. You picked one of them.
And, consequently, you didn't pick the
other. However, it's not impossible that
you might have picked it.
The other path was certainly a
possible choice.
Your Shadow is the path that you didn't
take. In other words...
It is another you.
The Shadow is the "you that wasn't picked."
work or play. You picked one of them.
And, consequently, you didn't pick the
other. However, it's not impossible that
you might have picked it.
The other path was certainly a
possible choice.
Your Shadow is the path that you didn't
take. In other words...
It is another you.
The Shadow is the "you that wasn't picked."
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I gave you two choices just now:[n]work or play. You picked one of them.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]And, consequently, you didn't pick the[n]other. However, it's not impossible that[n]you might have picked it.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]The other path was certainly a[n]possible choice.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Your Shadow is the path that you didn't[n]take. In other words...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]It is another you.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The Shadow is the "you that wasn't picked."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_010
The hated Shadow is under pressure by the
conscious, often using the feeling that
it should just "disappear."
But can one's Shadow truly be erased?
First off, it would be very difficult,
considering its location inside the
unconscious.
Furthermore, the Shadow makes us recognize
ourselves and gives our value judgements
more meaning.
To erase one's Shadow is to weaken one's
own mind.
Jung realized this, and advised against
trying to eliminate your Shadow, in favor
of facing it and accepting it.
By accepting one's Shadow, a person's
mind can grow further.
If you accept this mental image as
"another version of you," maybe it'll
be easier to face your Shadow, hm?
conscious, often using the feeling that
it should just "disappear."
But can one's Shadow truly be erased?
First off, it would be very difficult,
considering its location inside the
unconscious.
Furthermore, the Shadow makes us recognize
ourselves and gives our value judgements
more meaning.
To erase one's Shadow is to weaken one's
own mind.
Jung realized this, and advised against
trying to eliminate your Shadow, in favor
of facing it and accepting it.
By accepting one's Shadow, a person's
mind can grow further.
If you accept this mental image as
"another version of you," maybe it'll
be easier to face your Shadow, hm?
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The hated Shadow is under pressure by the[n]conscious, often using the feeling that[n]it should just "disappear."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]But can one's Shadow truly be erased?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]First off, it would be very difficult,[n]considering its location inside the[n]unconscious.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Furthermore, the Shadow makes us recognize[n]ourselves and gives our value judgements[n]more meaning.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]To erase one's Shadow is to weaken one's[n]own mind.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Jung realized this, and advised against[n]trying to eliminate your Shadow, in favor[n]of facing it and accepting it.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]By accepting one's Shadow, a person's[n]mind can grow further.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]If you accept this mental image as[n]"another version of you," maybe it'll[n]be easier to face your Shadow, hm?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_011
...Now then, it looks like it's time.
I'll explain a bit about the "Shadow of
the people" -- a group psyche as opposed
to an individual -- and end this lesson.
Jung's studies of mythology noted the
existence of the Shadow.
The Shadows of myth... they are evil
beings better known as "demons."
From the viewpoint of Jungian psychology,
the common Shadow of the people took on
the forms of demons.
You don't have to be an exorcist to
want to rid the world of demons...
But, after this lecture, is it a good
thing to eradicate demons? ...It makes
you think, doesn't it?
If I follow my schedule, the next lecture
should be on the "Persona." That is also
another version of yourself.
And that's it for today.
I'll explain a bit about the "Shadow of
the people" -- a group psyche as opposed
to an individual -- and end this lesson.
Jung's studies of mythology noted the
existence of the Shadow.
The Shadows of myth... they are evil
beings better known as "demons."
From the viewpoint of Jungian psychology,
the common Shadow of the people took on
the forms of demons.
You don't have to be an exorcist to
want to rid the world of demons...
But, after this lecture, is it a good
thing to eradicate demons? ...It makes
you think, doesn't it?
If I follow my schedule, the next lecture
should be on the "Persona." That is also
another version of yourself.
And that's it for today.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]...Now then, it looks like it's time.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I'll explain a bit about the "Shadow of[n]the people" -- a group psyche as opposed[n]to an individual -- and end this lesson.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]Jung's studies of mythology noted the[n]existence of the Shadow.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The Shadows of myth... they are evil[n]beings better known as "demons."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]From the viewpoint of Jungian psychology,[n]the common Shadow of the people took on[n]the forms of demons.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]You don't have to be an exorcist to[n]want to rid the world of demons...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]But, after this lecture, is it a good[n]thing to eradicate demons? ...It makes[n]you think, doesn't it?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]If I follow my schedule, the next lecture[n]should be on the "Persona." That is also[n]another version of yourself.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]And that's it for today.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
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