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Context:Edogawa explains what psychological 'complexes' are and how they affect the mind.
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_000
Hello there, everyone. It's time for
"Mr. Edogawa's TV Classroom."
"Everyone Loves Jungian Psychology!"
An invitation to the you that you
don't know.
For better or for worse, it's the seventh
lecture: "The Truth About Complexes."
Now, let's begin the lesson. Recabustira,
Cabustira, Bustira, Tira, Ra, A...
"Mr. Edogawa's TV Classroom."
"Everyone Loves Jungian Psychology!"
An invitation to the you that you
don't know.
For better or for worse, it's the seventh
lecture: "The Truth About Complexes."
Now, let's begin the lesson. Recabustira,
Cabustira, Bustira, Tira, Ra, A...
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Hello there, everyone. It's time for[n]"Mr. Edogawa's TV Classroom."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]"Everyone Loves Jungian Psychology!"[n]An invitation to the you that you[n]don't know.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]For better or for worse, it's the seventh[n]lecture: "The Truth About Complexes."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Now, let's begin the lesson. Recabustira,[n]Cabustira, Bustira, Tira, Ra, A...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_001
These Jungian psychology lectures have
been centered on the unconscious...
Today, let me introduce you to an
important word that relates to the
unconscious.
Coined by Jung himself, it's now a
widely used term: "complex."
been centered on the unconscious...
Today, let me introduce you to an
important word that relates to the
unconscious.
Coined by Jung himself, it's now a
widely used term: "complex."
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]These Jungian psychology lectures have[n]been centered on the unconscious...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Today, let me introduce you to an[n]important word that relates to the[n]unconscious.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Coined by Jung himself, it's now a[n]widely used term: "complex."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_002
Generally, when we say "complex" by itself
in everyday conversation, it refers to an
"inferiority complex"...
The psychological definition is slightly
different.
In psychology a complex is "a power that
prevents the conscious from functioning
properly."
It's not a feeling of unworthiness...
...but the "power that bends the mind"
in order to make you feel that way in
the first place.
THAT is the complex.
in everyday conversation, it refers to an
"inferiority complex"...
The psychological definition is slightly
different.
In psychology a complex is "a power that
prevents the conscious from functioning
properly."
It's not a feeling of unworthiness...
...but the "power that bends the mind"
in order to make you feel that way in
the first place.
THAT is the complex.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Generally, when we say "complex" by itself[n]in everyday conversation, it refers to an[n]"inferiority complex"...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The psychological definition is slightly[n]different.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]In psychology a complex is "a power that[n]prevents the conscious from functioning[n]properly."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]It's not a feeling of unworthiness...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]...but the "power that bends the mind"[n]in order to make you feel that way in[n]the first place.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]THAT is the complex.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_003
I will give you a more concrete
explanation. But first...
Let me ask you a question.
I've taught you that the human mind is
split into the conscious and unconscious...
Now then, where do you think a
"complex" lies?
explanation. But first...
Let me ask you a question.
I've taught you that the human mind is
split into the conscious and unconscious...
Now then, where do you think a
"complex" lies?
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I will give you a more concrete[n]explanation. But first...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Let me ask you a question.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I've taught you that the human mind is[n]split into the conscious and unconscious...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Now then, where do you think a[n]"complex" lies?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
SEL_004
- "The conscious."
- "The unconscious."
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1]"The conscious."[e]
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1]"The unconscious."[e]
Response to selection: "The conscious."
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_005
Whoops. That answer is wrong.
The conscious is where reason, the power
to think, works, but the complex is in a
location that reason cannot reach.
That's right, it's in the unconscious.
This is why they can be so troublesome.
The conscious is where reason, the power
to think, works, but the complex is in a
location that reason cannot reach.
That's right, it's in the unconscious.
This is why they can be so troublesome.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Whoops. That answer is wrong.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The conscious is where reason, the power[n]to think, works, but the complex is in a[n]location that reason cannot reach.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]That's right, it's in the unconscious.[n]This is why they can be so troublesome.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Response to selection: "The unconscious."
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_006
Okay, you got it right. You're becoming
quite sharp.
A complex forms in the unconscious.
That's why it can be so troublesome.
quite sharp.
A complex forms in the unconscious.
That's why it can be so troublesome.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Okay, you got it right. You're becoming[n]quite sharp.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]A complex forms in the unconscious.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]That's why it can be so troublesome.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_007
So, how are these complexes, living
inside the unconscious, formed?
In most cases, it seems that they are
caused by personal experience.
Let me give you an example.
Let's say a person has had a strict
upbringing since youth. He's always
been taught to be courteous and clean...
He hates sloppiness and dirtiness to the
point where he will faint if he so much
as touches something dirty.
Even when the level of dirtiness is still
within a normal person's tolerances, this
person's mind simply cannot accept it.
Why does he hate dirtiness so much, to
the point where it causes his mind to
function improperly?
It's thought that this is because his
obsession with cleanliness has, over time,
sunk into the unconscious and stayed there.
His hatred of uncleanliness has moved
from his conscious and formed a complex
lodged firmly in his unconscious.
When this complex flows backwards back
into the conscious, it causes the person
to have abnormal reactions.
inside the unconscious, formed?
In most cases, it seems that they are
caused by personal experience.
Let me give you an example.
Let's say a person has had a strict
upbringing since youth. He's always
been taught to be courteous and clean...
He hates sloppiness and dirtiness to the
point where he will faint if he so much
as touches something dirty.
Even when the level of dirtiness is still
within a normal person's tolerances, this
person's mind simply cannot accept it.
Why does he hate dirtiness so much, to
the point where it causes his mind to
function improperly?
It's thought that this is because his
obsession with cleanliness has, over time,
sunk into the unconscious and stayed there.
His hatred of uncleanliness has moved
from his conscious and formed a complex
lodged firmly in his unconscious.
When this complex flows backwards back
into the conscious, it causes the person
to have abnormal reactions.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]So, how are these complexes, living[n]inside the unconscious, formed?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In most cases, it seems that they are[n]caused by personal experience.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Let me give you an example.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Let's say a person has had a strict[n]upbringing since youth. He's always[n]been taught to be courteous and clean...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]He hates sloppiness and dirtiness to the[n]point where he will faint if he so much[n]as touches something dirty.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Even when the level of dirtiness is still[n]within a normal person's tolerances, this[n]person's mind simply cannot accept it.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Why does he hate dirtiness so much, to[n]the point where it causes his mind to[n]function improperly?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]It's thought that this is because his[n]obsession with cleanliness has, over time,[n]sunk into the unconscious and stayed there.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]His hatred of uncleanliness has moved[n]from his conscious and formed a complex[n]lodged firmly in his unconscious.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]When this complex flows backwards back[n]into the conscious, it causes the person[n]to have abnormal reactions.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_008
I just gave you an example of how a
complex forms in the unconscious through
an individual's experience...
This unconscious, in more specific
Jungian terms, points to the "personal
unconscious."
Complexes are formed in the personal
unconscious, which is a subset of an
individual's unconscious.
There are other processes that form
complexes... but for now, just remember
this.
complex forms in the unconscious through
an individual's experience...
This unconscious, in more specific
Jungian terms, points to the "personal
unconscious."
Complexes are formed in the personal
unconscious, which is a subset of an
individual's unconscious.
There are other processes that form
complexes... but for now, just remember
this.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]I just gave you an example of how a[n]complex forms in the unconscious through[n]an individual's experience...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]This unconscious, in more specific[n]Jungian terms, points to the "personal[n]unconscious."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Complexes are formed in the personal[n]unconscious, which is a subset of an[n]individual's unconscious.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]There are other processes that form[n]complexes... but for now, just remember[n]this.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_009
This unconscious, to be more specific in Jungian psychological terms, is pointing to the "personal unconscious."
Complexs are formed in the personal unconscious located within the unconscious.
There are other complex processes of formation it goes through... but for now, just remember this.
Complexs are formed in the personal unconscious located within the unconscious.
There are other complex processes of formation it goes through... but for now, just remember this.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]This unconscious, to be more specific in Jungian psychological terms, is pointing to the "personal unconscious."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Complexs are formed in the personal unconscious located within the unconscious.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]There are other complex processes of formation it goes through... but for now, just remember this.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_010
Now, then, all people carry at least
one complex, be they large or small...
The problem arises when one emerges and
interferes with a person's social life.
When a person's complex is stimulated,
he or she becomes emotional, causing
abnormal behavior.
If this gets worse, the person may not
be able to maintain relationships with
other people, or suffer a breakdown.
I'm sure you're all thinking: "Then we
should be trying to find a way to get
rid of complexes."
But, being in the unconscious, they are
difficult to find. And, once found,
removing one is even harder.
Then, what do we do?
one complex, be they large or small...
The problem arises when one emerges and
interferes with a person's social life.
When a person's complex is stimulated,
he or she becomes emotional, causing
abnormal behavior.
If this gets worse, the person may not
be able to maintain relationships with
other people, or suffer a breakdown.
I'm sure you're all thinking: "Then we
should be trying to find a way to get
rid of complexes."
But, being in the unconscious, they are
difficult to find. And, once found,
removing one is even harder.
Then, what do we do?
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Now, then, all people carry at least[n]one complex, be they large or small...[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The problem arises when one emerges and[n]interferes with a person's social life.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]When a person's complex is stimulated,[n]he or she becomes emotional, causing[n]abnormal behavior.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]If this gets worse, the person may not[n]be able to maintain relationships with[n]other people, or suffer a breakdown.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]I'm sure you're all thinking: "Then we[n]should be trying to find a way to get[n]rid of complexes."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]But, being in the unconscious, they are[n]difficult to find. And, once found,[n]removing one is even harder.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Then, what do we do?[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
SEL_011
- "Face our complexes."
- "Leave them be."
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1]"Face our complexes."[e]
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1]"Leave them be."[e]
Response to selection: "Face our complexes."
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_012
Face our complexes, huh.
That is a very trying thing to do.
And yet, it is said that acknowledging
the existence of a complex is the first
step to treating it.
Your opinion is correct.
That is a very trying thing to do.
And yet, it is said that acknowledging
the existence of a complex is the first
step to treating it.
Your opinion is correct.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Face our complexes, huh.[n]That is a very trying thing to do.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]And yet, it is said that acknowledging[n]the existence of a complex is the first[n]step to treating it.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Your opinion is correct.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Response to selection: "Leave them be."
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_013
It isn't good to stimulate your complexes
for fun, but... Unfortunately, ignoring
them does not solve the problems they create.
You must begin by facing your complexes.
for fun, but... Unfortunately, ignoring
them does not solve the problems they create.
You must begin by facing your complexes.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]It isn't good to stimulate your complexes[n]for fun, but... Unfortunately, ignoring[n]them does not solve the problems they create.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]You must begin by facing your complexes.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_014
Here's one proposed method to facing a
complex.
"Perhaps it isn't the complex making you
lopsided, but your own Ego that's making
your mind imbalanced."
In other words, it has a positive view
of a complex: that one forms in order to
balance out your already lopsided mind.
According to this view, when you find
your complex, it is your chance to
become a better person.
Some of you may think that you've heard
this before... And to those people, I
commend you.
This has many similarities to what
I talked about during the lecture on
the Shadow archetype.
In that lesson, I told you about
acknowledging one's own Shadow.
The hidden things in your mind are not
pure evil.
It is important to have a good look at them.
complex.
"Perhaps it isn't the complex making you
lopsided, but your own Ego that's making
your mind imbalanced."
In other words, it has a positive view
of a complex: that one forms in order to
balance out your already lopsided mind.
According to this view, when you find
your complex, it is your chance to
become a better person.
Some of you may think that you've heard
this before... And to those people, I
commend you.
This has many similarities to what
I talked about during the lecture on
the Shadow archetype.
In that lesson, I told you about
acknowledging one's own Shadow.
The hidden things in your mind are not
pure evil.
It is important to have a good look at them.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Here's one proposed method to facing a[n]complex.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]"Perhaps it isn't the complex making you[n]lopsided, but your own Ego that's making[n]your mind imbalanced."[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In other words, it has a positive view[n]of a complex: that one forms in order to[n]balance out your already lopsided mind.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]According to this view, when you find[n]your complex, it is your chance to[n]become a better person.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Some of you may think that you've heard[n]this before... And to those people, I[n]commend you.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0][f 4 9 50 3 5 0 5][f 4 8 50 10]This has many similarities to what[n]I talked about during the lecture on[n]the Shadow archetype.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]In that lesson, I told you about[n]acknowledging one's own Shadow.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]The hidden things in your mind are not[n]pure evil.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]It is important to have a good look at them.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
Mr. Edogawa
MSG_015
...Now then, it looks like our time
is up.
Basically, we all have the means in our
minds to cope with complexes.
If anyone's worried by this lecture:
there's no need for pessimism. Just
face your own mind.
And that's it for today.
is up.
Basically, we all have the means in our
minds to cope with complexes.
If anyone's worried by this lecture:
there's no need for pessimism. Just
face your own mind.
And that's it for today.
[f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 4 6 50 1 0 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]...Now then, it looks like our time[n]is up.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]Basically, we all have the means in our[n]minds to cope with complexes.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]If anyone's worried by this lecture:[n]there's no need for pessimism. Just[n]face your own mind.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e][f 0 5 65278][f 2 1][f 3 1 1 0 0 0]And that's it for today.[n][f 1 3 65535][f 1 1][e]
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